Part two of Zoë Tersche‘s interview with Markus at Metaverse, a sex-positive VR studio in Vancouver BC. Click here to read part one.

How do you foresee haptic technology paired with VR porn impacting IRL interactions between people?

It’s an interesting question. And I’ve been thinking about it a lot over the last few years. I think that if traditional porn hasn’t had an impact, or even if it has, VR porn probably will on some level. A customer on Reddit once messaged us and said, “if it wasn’t for VR porn, I don’t know what I’d be doing. I just had the most awful divorce of my life, I’m in no shape to be thinking about dating or meeting girls. I’ve gotta get back in the swing of things, and this has been my outlet.”

I don’t think that technology is there enough for every guy and girl (or however you identify) to feel what that guy is experiencing. But I think that as technology gets better, more and more people will cross that threshold. They’ll be able to get those animal urges satisfied in a way that they never have before. I have a strong suspicion that VR porn is going to be able to deliver that. And if that does happen, which it looks like it might, I think that we’re definitely going to see a big shift in how people are having sex with each other. Because it’s going to appear riskier, and a hassle, and perhaps more costly, to initiate given where the economy is going.

What is Metaverse’s relationship with haptic tech? You mentioned on Reddit that you’re concerned about the safety of performers when it comes to some of the chemicals that are used on/in haptic devices.

In the industry (both in the Canada and the US), when you pick up a dildo or anything like that which is going to go inside of you, the level of testing for that product concerning what it’s made of and whether or not that’s safe to go inside of you is little to none. You’re potentially putting lead, BPA, and other toxins into your body or on your penis. And these are areas that have very thin membranes, they’re susceptible to picking up nasty things. Everything that we’ve looked at so far hasn’t met our standards, or the manufacturer hasn’t provided us with any data to suggest they use safe materials. We’ve had a lot of manufacturers and companies approach us, particularly from China, which is fine, we’re happy to do business with them, if our standards are met.

The Kiiroo though, looks like the product line we might be looking for. It does have medical grade silicone, and that’s important to us.

The Kiiroo seems to be industry standard right now and it’s what a lot of consumers own already.

I think it’d be a lot of fun to support it – to have our clients feel our models touch them. We do a lot of POV, almost all of our porn is POV, meaning that the person in the scene is you. We like doing that.

46% of our traffic is female, and 54% is male. We get a lot of females messaging us saying, give us more porn where I’m the female POV and some lucky man, woman, or other, is pleasuring me – I would like that. We have one scene coming out this week along those lines called Make Her (You) Cum, where you get to come multiple times. So whether you’re a girl at home with your vibrator or a guy jerking off to it, you get to play along. So we’re trying to get out more of that sort of stuff.

So female POV is something you’re trying to cater to?

It’s something we’re doing very deliberately. If we shoot a scene where a guy is beating a girl (in a BDSM scene), we want to then shoot that scene with a female doing that to a male. We have a pissing scene with a guy pissing on a girl, we’re now working on another one with a female pissing on a guy. Let’s get girls with hairy bushes, and different kinds of bodies, and different kinds of things on their bodies, and some with tattoos and some without. We’re working on all these kinds of angles.

Somebody asked us the other day, why not more people of other nationalities? That’s purely because those people haven’t come to us yet. We’ll see them eventually. There’s not a very big base here in Vancouver unfortunately. But we’ll branch out over time. We want every type – it doesn’t matter how you identify, what race you are, we don’t care if you’re straight, or gay, or bi, or trans, or queer or kinky, it doesn’t matter. We want you to come in and have fun in front of the camera.

We’re very open and very accepting. No matter what your kink is, or how you identify, if you identify as male or female or if you prefer them and they as your pronouns (such as some of our team members do), whether or not you identify as a girl or a guy, we have a lot of fun and we respect all identities. While that may not be the world we live in right now, I think we’re heading more in that direction with Generation Z and Millennials.

It sounds like you guys are about getting everything and everyone out there that you can, and churning out a lot of diverse content as a result.

That’s right – and seeing what stuff works and what doesn’t work, and what is selling and what isn’t selling. We put that pissing video up on Reddit, it was the first one we ever did, and probably the first VR pissing video in general, and it got downvoted to nothing, plus a bunch of hate comments. However, it is our top selling video and most of that traffic came from Reddit. So go figure.

Reddit has a few pretty high trafficked pissing subs, so there are surely a number of people looking for that.

Even if they denounced it, clearly they are still looking for it because it is our top selling video. I didn’t think it was going to be so popular, but it really is.

It has pissing and puking, which is so dirty. We always have outtakes in our clips (especially the ones from the last six months), and they show the realness. They show him or her coming around to the other side of the camera and saying, I love you, are you okay? Do you need aftercare? Or just laughing. Like after this one, she was like, “oh my god, I puked everywhere! And we kept going!” And we did keep going, he ended up pissing it off, it was so hot, and so dirty, and so insane. We like to show that behind the scenes we’re not all that serious, we’re having fun.

You guys are showing what’s really happening when you’re shooting. That adds to the authenticity that it sounds like your viewers are craving.

We have a scene coming up this week where someone calls a red light and we stop. We’re still publishing it, it doesn’t matter, it’s an awesome scene. The performer was like, no no no no, but we were like, you’re in a lot of pain, good for you for knowing your limits.

That’s a great way to cultivate consent culture in virtual spaces.

What a better way to learn? You’re watching a porn video, you’re waiting for the bloopers, and you get a little education along the way. That’s our goal.

We have a big training component, and it hasn’t taken off yet quite as much as the porn has, but it’s starting to gain traction. This weekend we’re recording a vulva massage, thirty minutes of sensual vulva massage. We’re going to do a female POV where the viewer is watching their self, as well as one where the viewer is watching as the second person in the room.

I’m seeing a lot of live playshops and workshops get more traction by advertising live demonstrations when it comes to oral sex. Watching someone give and get oral live is certainly more entertaining than watching someone hold up a dildo or a banana and talk about it.

So much more entertaining. Being front and center is compelling. We did an anal fisting scene where you’re literally right next to a guy’s ass getting fisted.

That’s an experience that a lot of people just don’t have access to otherwise.

And maybe you want to download it anonymously and watch it. That’s why we want to get Bitcoin on our site soon. But we’re not there yet. And you won’t believe this, but CCBill, the biggest porn biller in the business, they wouldn’t take us on as a client unless we removed a pup play video because it’s “bestiality,” but they’re guys in puppy masks! We were like, nah, we’re not doing that.

Taking down that type of content would go against what MetaverseXXX is and the type of content your viewers expect.

A lot of people on our team would be like, if I can’t put that stuff out there, then I’m not free to make more clips.

You’re keeping it innovative, it’ll be exciting to see what happens with you guys as one of the premier creators of alternative VR adult content.

That’s what we want to be, authentic VR kink. Just real people getting off.

So much VR right now is the most entry level sort of porn – skinny female bodies with big boobs, everyone’s white.

And it has an impact! I had a partner I was dating earlier this year who came from Iran and watched a lot of American porn, and was convinced she had to shave every part of her body – arms, legs, tummy – because American women don’t have hair in porn. I was like, we’ve gotta get a girl with a big bush, that’s it! Because I know my porn is being watched by people and it’s influencing them, and if I can make that change for one person, let’s do it.

You understand the scope of your influence.

Absolutely, and being 1 in 12 [VR studios] in the world with a market that wouldn’t necessarily be seeking out a website like ours, we have a stage, if you will, to educate.

LEAVE A REPLY

Please enter your comment!
Please enter your name here